Even on an island miles from the main land   18 comments

We have (spotty) Internet.

Checked the news as soon as I woke this morning.

I am shocked, and wondering what it will mean to the UK, to Europe, to the world.

And can’t help but wonder if it is a foreshadowing of our upcoming election?

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Posted June 24, 2016 by salpal1 in Uncategorized, what I am thinking about

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  1. I just articulated the same worry to a British blog pal. I didn’t think their outcome would go this way and it makes me worry about ours . . .

  2. Having moved to Canada during the second George W. reign, I’m peering over the (imaginary still) wall separating the US from Canada, and I, too, wonder how the recent vote in Britain, combined with the Supreme Court’s deadlock vote on Obama’s immigration reform, will affect the political landscape in the US. Just a note – it really isn’t that cold in Canada 🙂

    • lol I know it is similar to our climate. I have wondered about the logistics of living here and working there… not sure how it would work. I am not really ready to jump ship, but that could change.

  3. I truly think the vote to leave was the correct one.

    This vote was about more than just immigration, but that was the element the “stay ” campaign focused on in an effort to make “leave” look like bigots. One person on BBC summed the vote up perfectly, they said “today is the day Britain decides who will rule Britain”. The EU had interfered in how Britain made laws, packaged products, sold products and managed their population. An influx of obligatory immigration had kept working class wages low, some references made to the fact of no wage increases over the past 17 years in some trades; the immigration was creating underemployment for both British born and immigrant. But beyond that , the forced immigration policies also affected the opportunities for immigration to the UK from other nations outside the EU. If Britain was maxing out on EU enforced immigration, how could they possibly accept immigrants from African or Asian nations? This was a topic brought up when the BBC went to Birmingham doing interviews last week; a city built on a huge immigrant population. It would be a shame to have to limit, for instance, Asian immigration due to the influx from Europe; immigration from China and India have brought a great number of businesses to Britain, and that is the type of immigration you want. Immigration that grows a nation and builds a nation, not immigration forced on you by heavy handed government.

    In the upcoming US election you have a very different situation as the USA is governed by the USA. In the situation of Britain, the EU was interfering with laws, trade and immigration (probably many more things as well); Britain was no longer able to rule Britain. Could you imagine what that would be like if the USA had to answer to another entity?

    I do think this referendum sends a strong message, and it is not an anti-immigration message. This vote sends a message that people are starting to stand up against heavy handed government. It was also a vote against the elite.

    Having lived in the North of England on pitiful wages I thought the vote could go this way. We ended up moving to Canada to escape it, there was no future, and clearly, by the outcome of this vote, in the non-metropolitan areas there was still no hope.

    When the EU first began it was partly due to keeping Europe united and avoiding future wars. They saw Europe as “the” developed portion of the world. The world has changed. Now look at the powerhouses India, China and Japan are on the world scene; look at the money in oil rich nations. It is a different world. The EU is outdated.

    We noticed a huge change occur after 1992. Britain started to lose its British-ness, and I certainly don’t mean it became less “white”. It lost its independent shops and quirky ways, it was starting to be filled with one big global chain after another, it was losing its identity. I know after our last visit we lost the desire to go back, why fly 10 hours and pay thousands of dollars to see a Starbucks on every corner (exaggeration, but you know what I mean).

    So I hope as the rest of the world reads about Brexit this morning, they will realize it is about far more than immigration. This was about a country choosing who would rule. The British population made the choice for Britain to be ruled by Britain rather than Brussels. That is a pretty important choice.

    • Deb – thank very much for this information and a different viewpoint than we typically get. There is always so much more to a story, isn’t there?

      • I first turned against the idea of the EU when they made the UK change their sentencing of two males that abducted and killed a two year old toddler. They enforced a lighter sentence. I could never get past that.

    • Living in the UK, I hear every word you say Deb, and agree.

      • I am gathering that everyone feels strongly on the side they believe in, which has made the lead up to the vote tough and will make the next few years tough. It does seem to be similar to what we are going through over here with our presidential election, and what Scotland went through with it’s vote a few years back. Democracy can be hard! But if we all take the decision and move past our own positions (win or lose) to pull together, it works. I hope I can remember this come November…

  4. as a Brit living in France, and with two of my adult children living and working in England, I too was rather in shock when I saw the result this morning.

  5. Are the patients really in charge of the asylum?

    slippedstitches
  6. I just feel very sad about the whole situation, I honestly didn’t think it would happen 😦

  7. I’m from England, United Kingdom… and can tell you that at this moment in time there has been absolutely no change to us at all. All those dire warnings of everything collapsing, an immediate recession, an emergency budget to combat that, and … on and on and on… HAVEN’T HAPPENED. Those in government who wanted the UK to stay within the EU were shouting and scare-mongering in order to put the fear of ‘Dog’ into the citizens of the UK, and I think that added to the numbers of the ‘Out’ voters. You see … we’re not good at people threatening us. We might not shout or get fussed up, but we do band together to do things in a more quiet and effective way, and I think that a lot of people Voted Out because of the threats which our Government were making. Which by the way … I could pick holes in every single threat or predicition that they made simply by looking for the truth before believing them.

    The EU were making LOTS of demands upon the UK and wouldn’t allow the UK to make their own laws (a handful they would, but we could all see that this wasn’t going to be the case eventually). We were slowly losing that thing which made us ‘US’. Bit by bit we were being swallowed up by EU rules, regulations, changes in laws etc. – and all these rules and regulations were being made by people we didn’t know and had no way of protesting against them because they were all living in another land, we didn’t know them, we didn’t vote for them but we certainly paid an awful lot of money for them to do their ‘jobs’. Did you know that they wouldn’t allow us to eat bananas which were bent even a tiny bit more than they said we were allowed to? We weren’t allowed to buy cucumbers which were curved at all? They had to be totally straight. (And the food mountain grows taller with all this sillyness). I culd go on but I don’t want to bore you to pieces.

    EU membership constricts Britain’s ability to have decisions taken, policies set and laws made by people who are directly accountable for those choices to the British people. When they passed the European Communities Act 1972 it implicitly recognised the primacy of EU law over UK law – a principle that over the following decades was deepened and extended by the decisions of the EU’s top court, the European Court of Justice. This meant that EU law now took precedence. We no longer had a voice.

    The people of the UK have been begging for a chance to have our say regarding this membership to the EU for YEARS. Mr. Cameron (PM) promised a referendum when he first came to power … however he put it off, and put it off until he could no longer put it off because he realised that everyone was losing confidence in him. He actually shot himself in the foot by leaving it so long (I believe) because the people stopp trusting his words. They no longer trusted the man at the top who was supposed to be doing everything he could to take care of our Country, and listen to US the people of the UK. He wasn’t listening. Or if he was .. he was ignoring us.

    Personally, I’m glad that we finally had the chance to be heard and so happy that people got to say yes or no to these faceless people who were (in effect) bossing us about and telling us what we were to do, how we were to do it and when.

    As for this ‘petition’ with a million signatures .. it’s not actually as true as it seems. The majority of the names on the petition aren’t people who are of this country. They’re not UK citizens, so they have no say and no vote. It’s a bit of spam which has gone wild on the internet. There won’t be another chance to vote because we are a democracy. We voted. The majority of the country spoke as one and now we have to move forward with bravery and confidence. Oh … and the pound going down after the vote? It would do that in any country, because the Markets (and money men) don’t like change. Change scares those in charge of the FTSE, and because of that there was a momentary low of the pound. It then went straight back up again when those same money men could see that we were still alive and still trading with the world. There will be changes to come … but there are changes whenever a new government take over the ropes. Expect change. But expect that it’s going to be for the good of your country and … unless you have a despot in charge, I’m pretty sure we will grow together and grow stronger.

    Aww .. apologies for the loooong comment, but I wanted to speak on behalf of some of the UK and kind of share what the majority are feeling here.
    If you want to delete this comment ‘Salpal’ feel free. I won’t be offended and will still love you and your blog to pieces.
    ~ Cobs. x

    • Cobs – I won’t delete it – I appreciate the education. We get no word of anything like what you talk about on this side of the ocean. Markets are still volatile,and the pound is still down, but I agree that it will settle down and the economic ship will steadily sail on. Meanwhile, as another blogger suggested, it is a good time for those of us outside the UK to buy UK produced goods, helping everyone survive the turbulent times.

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